tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post5806082712983017721..comments2023-07-18T16:31:37.984-06:00Comments on Searching for the Light on the Path: Ten WordsJameshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07593266343873200105noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-33856648141850174692011-01-22T21:47:53.318-07:002011-01-22T21:47:53.318-07:00"Non-Jewish circumcision is of no more spirit..."Non-Jewish circumcision is of no more spiritual importance than having one's appendix taken out. In fact, all converts to Judaism are made to circumcise themselves, even if fully medically circumcised already - blood is drawn in this case."<br /><br />But where is it in the Torah, our great guru?....Where is it in the Torah?...Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-68322326671390391512011-01-22T20:18:37.949-07:002011-01-22T20:18:37.949-07:00"Circumcision is a sign for G-d's people...."Circumcision is a sign for G-d's people. With that said there are non- believers and people who believe in other gods who are circumcised, does this making them the people of The G-d of Israel??"<br /><br />Rey, circumcision of the flesh done for the purposes other than fulfilling a specific covenantal obligation of a Jew (or of a convert to Judaism) amounts to absolutely NOTHING in the eyes of G-d. Is this not even obvious?<br /><br />Non-Jewish circumcision is of no more spiritual importance than having one's appendix taken out. In fact, all converts to Judaism are made to circumcise themselves, even if fully medically circumcised already - blood is drawn in this case.Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-85281133044783693362011-01-22T19:03:24.723-07:002011-01-22T19:03:24.723-07:00Great comments guys!
Circumcision is a sign for G...Great comments guys!<br /><br />Circumcision is a sign for G-d's people. With that said there are non- believers and people who believe in other gods who are circumcised, does this making them the people of The G-d of Israel??<br /><br />While it is important to be circumcised in the flesh i believe it is fair to say that it is more important to be circumcised in the heart. You cannot neglect the one for the other.reyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120270655838796823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-67730275014057004462011-01-21T16:57:05.218-07:002011-01-21T16:57:05.218-07:00Glory to God for giving us the Holy Sabbath! Chec...Glory to God for giving us the Holy Sabbath! Check it out: <br />http://www.worldslastchance.com<br />(I have been incredible blessed by this ministry!)<br /><br />Thanks for posting this article. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-87815149102793055282011-01-21T16:21:51.974-07:002011-01-21T16:21:51.974-07:00Why would God insert a "ritual" commandm...Why would God insert a "ritual" commandment (Shabbat) in the middle of the other nine "moral" commandments?" are all the "ritual" commandments immoral?<br /><br />"But an uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be CUT OFF from his people; he has broken MY covenant." (Gen. 17:14).<br /><br />To be CuT OFF from his people one has first to BELONG to a people, which means that the person belongs to the people before he is circumcised.<br />Circumcision is the sign of the covenant, it is not the means to become Jewish, otherwise Millions of Muslims are now Jews...<br /><br />Abraham's household was the first covenant community and before God asked Abraham to circumcise them all, this covenant community consisted beside Abraham's immediate family some slaves and strangers. They were community members a "people", before circumcision.Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-57614539650849493732011-01-21T15:44:42.816-07:002011-01-21T15:44:42.816-07:00What about the Brit Milah? Almost universally, eve...What about the Brit Milah? Almost universally, even in most One Law congregations, it's agreed that the ritual circumcision on the eighth day of life for boys is a covenant between God and the Jewish people. Given that example, wouldn't it be prudent of us to examine the commands in detail to determine if and how certain of the mitzvot are specific to the Children of Israel <b>because</b> they are God's chosen people.<br /><br />I say this because, even in Messianic times, there seems to remain a distinction between Jews and the rest of the world. Here's an example:<br /><br /><i>In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you'</i> -<b>Zechariah 8:23</b>.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07593266343873200105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-786511521410349122011-01-21T15:02:18.833-07:002011-01-21T15:02:18.833-07:00In Deuteronomy 8:1 the Hebrew reads "all the ...In Deuteronomy 8:1 the Hebrew reads "all the commandment" – it is "kal ha-mitzvah." RASHI notes that this wording is very important. The plural grammar of the verse leads some translators to misunderstand the point: all the commandments are a single unit - The Commandment.<br /><br />Paul speaks of it as a unit as well, in 1Timothy 6:14. Where Christianity erred in this matter was in creating divisions of "ha-mitzvah" [The Commandment]. BE seeks to do the same thing. I know FFOZ has fallen back to the well-tried Christian division of "moral" vs "ritual." <br /><br />HaShem does not divide His commandments thus. Certainly, there is a greatest and a least - but not "Jewish ones" and "common sense ones." If we go to "common sense" we are standing at the edge of a slippery slope. <br /><br />Shabbat Shalom.<br />B"HRick Spurlockhttp://www.bereansonline.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-5928113303289040752011-01-21T11:01:47.426-07:002011-01-21T11:01:47.426-07:00Me neither. Many of the commandments given to Isra...<i>Me neither. Many of the commandments given to Israel are not nation, location, age or gender specific - they are just plain common sense and they represent your basic standards of morality which can be / should be observed by all.<br /><br />"All Scripture is G-d breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16) </i><br /><br />Yes! Yes! Yes!<br /><br />Somebody <b>finally</b> gets what I'm trying to say. *whew* <br /><br />Now I'll have a better Shabbat.<br /><br />Thanks.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07593266343873200105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-42901384773977032772011-01-21T10:52:44.255-07:002011-01-21T10:52:44.255-07:00"What I'm trying to say basically is that..."What I'm trying to say basically is that I don't see any difficulty in non-Jewish Messianics (AKA Christians, if you will) in the modern age complying with any of the ten commandments. If I order my life around those behaviors, is that not being a moral and Godly person?"<br /><br />Me neither. Many of the commandments given to Israel are not nation, location, age or gender specific - they are just plain common sense and they represent your basic standards of morality which can be / should be observed by all.<br /><br />"All Scripture is G-d breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16)Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-335342682361063742011-01-21T10:07:15.932-07:002011-01-21T10:07:15.932-07:00Many Gentile probably just sojourned without assim...<i>Many Gentile probably just sojourned without assimilation. To be sure, some converted (circumcising themselves so that they could observe Passover). Some quite likely have even gone back to their own lands (like Jethro did by going back to Midian). And some just hung around as foreigners living in the midst. </i><br /><br />The assumption swings both ways. The written Torah (I don't know of the Oral tradition says anything about this) is silent on what happened to the "mixed multitude". You could be right, but I can't see where we have any documentation one way or the other.<br /><br />I do agree that it says the Egyptian can enter the Assembly of Israel after the third generation, but the first and second would probably be doing the same things as the Children of Israel. It would only be the third generation who would be "converted" to Judaism formally and who, at that time, would not be considered a Ger. Today, Jewish people don't even know if their family line is only made up of the Children of Israel or if some "mixed multitude" Egyptians could be part of the family tree.<br /><br />Also, I don't read a lot (if any) of examples in the Torah where behaviors were specifically split between Jews and Gentiles. It doesn't say the Gentiles stood somewhere else while the Divine Presence descended on the Mishkan. It didn't say that the Gentiles were forbidden to fight against the enemies that attacked the entire group. It didn't say that the Gentiles had to walk behind everyone else because they didn't belong to the tribe. And as far as I know, it doesn't say that the Ger couldn't offer sacrifices.<br /><br />What I'm trying to say basically is that I don't see any difficulty in non-Jewish Messianics (AKA Christians, if you will) in the modern age complying with any of the ten commandments. If I order my life around those behaviors, is that not being a moral and Godly person?Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07593266343873200105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-66044115189867275552011-01-21T09:54:53.561-07:002011-01-21T09:54:53.561-07:00"God was speaking to a mixed audience of Jews..."God was speaking to a mixed audience of Jews and Gentiles and every one of them accepted the Torah of Moses "as a single man" before God uttered even a single syllable."<br /><br />James, that's a BIG assumption. Think about it - if the above was so, there would be no need for G-d to outline all the laws regarding of what was permissible to the strangers among Israelites (small example: Egyptians could enter the congregation of G-d only in their THIRD generation - if they choose, of course. One could sell non-kosher meat to the stranger among you). G-d is not going to just thrust laws the he intended for children of Israel on everyone present just because they happen to have fled alongside. <br /><br />Many Gentile probably just sojourned without assimilation. To be sure, some converted (circumcising themselves so that they could observe Passover). Some quite likely have even gone back to their own lands (like Jethro did by going back to Midian). And some just hung around as foreigners living in the midst.Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com