tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post8559636827280561948..comments2023-07-18T16:31:37.984-06:00Comments on Searching for the Light on the Path: The Unequal YokeJameshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07593266343873200105noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-60767193527586749272010-12-07T06:18:35.624-07:002010-12-07T06:18:35.624-07:00"Unless we believe that God has abandoned us,..."Unless we believe that God has abandoned us, there is hope for the future. The God of Heaven will watch over our souls and His providence will be with our families."<br /><br />i completely agree with you, and i don't want to think of my husband as a "mistake" - i love him. the main reason why i would prefer to not intermarry is exactly that, as you said it: "it would be easier for couples and families if they were completely united in their cultural, ethnic, and religious identities". but, struggling to keep my identity, rediscover it, and transmit it has led me to deepen it, and i am most certainly grateful that my husband lets me do as i see fit, and whilst thinking that all religions are wrong, he has come to have a genuine respect and interest for judaism. i have to add that he was christian (calvinist, with friends and contacts amongst evangelicals such as YWAM) but he has, over the course of the last years, lost his faith.<br /><br />~ChayaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-74109387221515113372010-12-07T05:03:08.321-07:002010-12-07T05:03:08.321-07:00Clearly Chaya, it would be easier for couples and ...Clearly Chaya, it would be easier for couples and families if they were completely united in their cultural, ethnic, and religious identities and intermarriage introduces risks. On the other hand, as both your life and mine has illustrated, you can never know what the future brings. When my wife and I were first married, except for our a bit of genetics, our lifestyles and cultural identities were very similar and neither of us had a faith. We could not have foreseen what was coming next. No one can second guess God.<br /><br />Unless we believe that God has abandoned us, there is hope for the future. The God of Heaven will watch over our souls and His providence will be with our families.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07593266343873200105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-60015637443128264852010-12-07T02:56:32.789-07:002010-12-07T02:56:32.789-07:00good post, thank you! thank you for sharing so ope...good post, thank you! thank you for sharing so openly all you've lived through.<br /><br />i'm in a similar situation - i'm jewish, married to a gentile. actually, things are quite similar to what you've experienced growing up, and i lived through things like you wife did, except that after Chabad i returned to Yeshua. my family are atheists, and i grew up in a completely atheist, and completely german household, no religious or other identity whatsoever - and now, my gentile husband has become atheist.<br /><br />there are many days i wish i was married to a Jew! for my children's sake, and for our sake. yes, my husband has become quite supportive and will sometimes go out of his way to make sure i get the right food and shows some understanding but so often i wish i could be more observant etc, but this would create problems i probably would not have if i wasn't intermarried. but in no way i am considering divorce; i love my husband, and the children love their father. but if it were to do again, i would not intermarry. it's hard passing a jewish identity on to my children, and i'm already somewhat heartbroken because my daughter clearly said that it was better to be christian than to be jewish. my son on the other hand, wants payos.<br /><br />~ChayaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-58298136996540147232010-12-03T17:41:28.996-07:002010-12-03T17:41:28.996-07:00I just want to quickly mention before Shabbat begi...I just want to quickly mention before Shabbat begins that there's a difference between how some congregations (Traditional Jewish, Messianic Jewish, or Christian) welcome people (or fail to do so) and how those people are esteemed by God. When I read the Bible, I don't feel rejected or devalued by God because I'm a Gentile. I also don't feel that way when I encounter many Jewish people (such as Gene), but there are still issues that we haven't cleared up between the redeemed community of the Messiah. From my point of view, how the Jewish and Gentile sheep are supposed to treat each other in the Messiah's pen hasn't been successfully resolved. As I'm sure you can tell, I identify with the black sheep as a "johnny-come-lately".<br /><br />Shabbat Shalom.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07593266343873200105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-30281209751246974972010-12-03T17:22:38.439-07:002010-12-03T17:22:38.439-07:00Gene,
"Convert or leave"
Few are that ...Gene,<br /><br />"Convert or leave"<br /><br />Few are that blunt up front, but that is the bottom line they are reaching and striving towards. Gentiles with many years in the movement have been turned away at some MJ synagogues with "you don't belong here - you are not welcome". Derek posted in the past few weeks about Gentiles and suggested that they go back to their churches. So, don't tell me it's not being said or done.<br /><br />If a Gentile does choose to stay in such a place, they are given a "back-row seat" so to speak - forbidden from participating in any way. This is wrong - it is just as wrong as the same treatment because of your skin color.<br /><br />Some MJ synagogues and organizations are creating a two tiered system whereby Jews have full membership and participation and Gentiles are simply (possibly) tolerated outsiders. Is this really what G-d wants for His people? Does it demonstrate the love and unity Y'shua prayed for? Or is it just payback for the past treatment Jews received at the hands of "the Church"?<br /><br />I don't understand why it is being done...but I know it is WRONG!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09975940286231624003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-42688666278943284022010-12-03T15:41:11.542-07:002010-12-03T15:41:11.542-07:00Here's where I disagree with you, Gene. You se...Here's where I disagree with you, Gene. You seem to believe that a Gentile Christian would have no valid reason to want to worship in a primarily Jewish/Hebraic setting (except perhaps with bad motives), but I believe some non-Jews feel 'called' to worship in a Messianic synagogue. You previously mentioned the God-fearers in the time of Paul and Peter. Those Gentiles left pagan idol worship because they came to faith in the One true God of Israel and worshiped, no doubt in the back of the synagogue, but they worshiped.<br /><br />I'm not saying that Christians in the Church today are idol worshipers, but some of us feel called to discover a worship model that is more in keeping with the Jewishness of the Messiah. In my case, I was introduced to MJ when my Jewish wife began to worship within that context. After she left, I decided to stay rather than return to a church setting where I no longer felt I belonged (and still don't). <br /><br />The whole reason I created this personal blog was to explore the different issues relative to Gentiles and Jews co-existing in the Messianic realm. In my five-month experience of writing this blog and participating in the responses, I've noticed that we seem to have a long way to go. As you said, maybe we can't summon the change in the U.S. Maybe it has to happen in Israel and move outward, much like this:<br /><br /><i>Many nations will come and say,<br />“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,<br />to the temple of the God of Jacob.<br />He will teach us his ways,<br />so that we may walk in his paths.”<br />The law will go out from Zion,<br />the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.</i><br /><br />-<b>Micah 4:2</b>Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07593266343873200105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-81262406404709799642010-12-03T14:49:00.456-07:002010-12-03T14:49:00.456-07:00Am.... while many folks have indeed joined Messian...Am.... while many folks have indeed joined Messianic Movement for very wrong reasons and have greatly blurred its vision and purpose of being a spiritual home for Jewish followers of Yeshua who are ostracized by the rest of the Jewish community for their beliefs (hijacked really, turning it into another Charismatic Evangelical outfit that teaches Hebraic roots to Gentile majority), I have not heard anyone advocate that Gentiles "need to convert or leave". Gentiles have always been a presence in synagogues. Those who do advocate conversions within MJ (I find it hard to support such conversions, simply because MJ is decades from being ready for such a thing, IMHO), do so to accommodate those who are truly committed to the Jewish people and would like to take it a step further.<br /><br />Instead, MJ's refocusing on serving the needs of the Jewish people will naturally do the work of sifting those who do not belong and are best served and can serve elsewhere, and those non-Jews who are truly and selflessly committed to Jewish people [specifically], rather than those who are looking for alternatives to Christmas and Easter or enjoy minor key worship music.Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-50325158018074926222010-12-03T14:23:14.788-07:002010-12-03T14:23:14.788-07:00Gene,
I agree that forced conversion under threat...Gene,<br /><br />I agree that forced conversion under threat of death is different - EXTREMELY different. I was speaking more generally of the modern Christian teaching that a Jewish person who accepts Y'shua/Jesus stops being a Jew and "becomes" a Christian - as though the two are mutually exclusive. This pressure to assimilate into the larger Christian culture and stop any an all Jewish practices was more what I was referring to. Now, we have Messianic leaders telling Gentiles that they need to convert to messianic Judaism or "go back to your churches".<br /><br />People leave churches for a number of reasons. They most often come to us because the Ruach is moving in their hearts to reveal G-d's truth about what the church is really doing when they celebrate Christmas/Easter, etc., etc. G-d is also moving to reveal to them that the "god" they had been worshipping is really a Jewish man who came to reveal a Jewish G-d to the world. Zech. 8:23 and Isaiah 56 are happening before our eyes. To tell the people coming to us to learn that they need to convert or leave is criminal and it is sin.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09975940286231624003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-34838567921568548052010-12-03T10:08:04.479-07:002010-12-03T10:08:04.479-07:00"we are beginning to see the teaching and pra..."we are beginning to see the teaching and practice of conversion Gentiles to Messianic Judaism. We've seen the opposite for centuries in the "church" and it was just as wrong."<br /><br />Not factually correct. Jews were FORCED to convert to "church" (often at pain of death if they did not or being ostracized by church community for practicing Judaism while believing in Yeshua), while Gentiles in MM are a majority, they love all things Jewish and many taking on their version of Jewish identity voluntary (basically already "self-converting", without any Jewish involvement official conversion would entail). Huge difference.Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-77984139343289384762010-12-03T09:48:55.729-07:002010-12-03T09:48:55.729-07:00James,
They are out here and they are legion. Th...James,<br /><br />They are out here and they are legion. The concern over who is Jewish and who is not is a recent development in American MJ...and it is ripping apart the Body. 1 Cor 7 SPECIFICALLY addresses the issue of conversion for believers - Paul teaches that G-d placed us where we are and made u who we are...and that we should no seek to change that, but be accepted within the Body of believers at large. Jews should not seek to become Gentiles and vice versa. and yet, we are beginning to see the teaching and practice of conversion Gentiles to Messianic Judaism. We've seen the opposite for centuries in the "church" and it was just as wrong.<br /><br />L-rd, please come quickly - and straighten out this mess your children are creating!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09975940286231624003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-20311919592332600742010-12-03T09:47:44.282-07:002010-12-03T09:47:44.282-07:00Thanks for the response, Gene.
I suspect you'...Thanks for the response, Gene.<br /><br />I suspect you're right in that few if any people who are part of an intermarriage within Messianic Judaism will respond, which is a shame because it creates a sort of "underground" within the movement. If we can't be open and transparent with each other about important issues, how can we be a good witness and a light to the rest of humanity?Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07593266343873200105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-46683057738142261682010-12-03T09:33:00.265-07:002010-12-03T09:33:00.265-07:00"How do they maintain their Jewish distinctiv..."How do they maintain their Jewish distinctiveness when the "usual" outcome of intermarriage is Jewish assimilation into the Gentile melting pot?"<br /><br />Since you are unlikely to get their response, perhaps I can offer you some clues.<br /><br />1. Intermarried MJ leaders, both those who believe in conversion and those who do not, usually refer to their Gentile spouses as "grafted into Israel like Ruth" (in other words "converts"), whether or not they actually went through any official conversion process (most did not).<br /><br />2. In majority of cases Gentile spouses have attempted to minimize their Gentile identity in favor of the Messianic Jewish one. Conversions are practices on only a limited bases, so most retained their non-Jewish identity.<br /><br />3. Children of these couples are a mixed bag (pardon the pun). Intermarriage weakes identity, and there's very little in a way of solid Jewish education to begin with. As the result many are simply Evangelical Christians who do not identify with Jewishness in any tangible way. Many of them do not participate in the mainstream Jewish community because they simply can't relate to it ethnically and culturally, or feel rejected by it (because they are not Jewish halachically or because they were raised essentially a Gentile Christian environment with a few Jewish trappings).Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-44208535008441649642010-12-03T08:03:02.088-07:002010-12-03T08:03:02.088-07:00Wow! Thanks for the quick response, Gene. It would...Wow! Thanks for the quick response, Gene. It would be very illuminating if some of them would be willing to blog about their experiences, especially in relation to the issues inherent in Gentile/Jewish intermarriage and assimilation. How do they maintain their Jewish distinctiveness when the "usual" outcome of intermarriage is Jewish assimilation into the Gentile melting pot?Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07593266343873200105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-7229815008798848762010-12-03T06:49:40.599-07:002010-12-03T06:49:40.599-07:00"This question just dawned on me. I wonder ho..."This question just dawned on me. I wonder how many "known-names" in the Messianic Jewish community are either in mixed marriages or are products of mixed marriages?"<br /><br />An overwhelming majority of current MJ leadership and scholars is intermarried (mostly middle-aged Jewish men married to Gentile women).Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-14327337788268350432010-12-03T06:28:09.225-07:002010-12-03T06:28:09.225-07:00This question just dawned on me. I wonder how many...This question just dawned on me. I wonder how many "known-names" in the Messianic Jewish community are either in mixed marriages or are products of mixed marriages? I imagine there must be some who may be keeping quiet on this matter, even after having read this blog post. <br /><br />If any are willing, it might be helpful if you'd share your stories or the stories of your parents, if they were a Jewish/Gentile couple. Imagine if some of the Jewish teachers or other luminaries in MJ have a non-Jewish spouse. Imagine some of the more noteworthy Gentile authors in MJ being married to a Jewish spouse. Are you out there?Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07593266343873200105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-33740552601704165852010-12-02T17:08:40.261-07:002010-12-02T17:08:40.261-07:00"I wonder what the apostles would think of Me..."I wonder what the apostles would think of Messiah-loving Jews marrying Messiah-loving gentiles."<br /><br />I would say that being faithful to both Torah and Jewish traditions, as well as careful to be good witnesses to their Jewish people, the apostles would not have dared to approve of intermarriage and they certainly would not promote it as a legitimate choice for Jewish believers. Apostles respected Jewish norms and knew the historic consequences of intermarriage for the Jewish people. <br /><br />But, we'll never know how they really felt - since except for Timothy (who was circumcised because of his Jewish mother and therefore considered a Jew in every respect), there's no mention of any intermarriage in NT. Perhaps that was G-d's plan after all - to preserve the Jewish people for eternity.<br /><br />Think about the following:<br /><br />If a Jew marries another Jew, his/her children will be Jewish ethnically regardless of their Judaism observance. In fact, most of the current Jewish believers came from non-observance purely ethnic Jewish backgrounds whose identity was preserved simply because they had Jewish parents. <br /><br />However, if a Jewish believer marries a Gentile believer, but their children and grandchildren choose not be believers - there will be nothing that remains of their identity - they will be neither Jewish nor Christian, and most likely will simply adopt the prevailing Gentile culture around them. They will be lost to Jewish people. Intermarriage for Jews is a destroyer of the nation.<br /><br />One Jew marrying out - OK. But what if all Jews decided to make that choice, "for love"?Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-55239080092310568412010-12-02T15:47:54.858-07:002010-12-02T15:47:54.858-07:00Gene, you bring up a good point about Israel. In o...Gene, you bring up a good point about Israel. In one sense, I don't believe all of our questions and discussion points will be resolved this side of the return of Messiah to Israel, so I suppose we could all just sit tight and wait for that to happen. On the other hand, there is so much in Judaism that says human beings are junior partners with God in making the world a better place, healing hurts, building bridges, and growing a stronger body of Messiah.<br /><br />Maybe we won't be able to resolve "the Gentile question" within the Jewish body of the Messiah, but we wouldn't be very good partners with God if we didn't try.<br /><br />Judah, do I sense your next blog post on the way?Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07593266343873200105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-68353523548560691872010-12-02T15:22:47.678-07:002010-12-02T15:22:47.678-07:00Although not applicable to James' marriage, I ...Although not applicable to James' marriage, I wonder what the apostles would think of Messiah-loving Jews marrying Messiah-loving gentiles.<br /><br />Would they be strict and say, "The Torah says gentiles and Jews must not intermarry."<br /><br />Or would they be lenient and say, "Gentiles in Messiah are not the pagans of old, the commandment does not apply."Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-22210560589517091392010-12-02T15:21:55.287-07:002010-12-02T15:21:55.287-07:00I am advocating that Jews ONLY marry other Jews (o...<i>I am advocating that Jews ONLY marry other Jews (or Jewish converts) strictly because of LOVE.</i><br /><br />Would you say the same if a Jew loved a Gentile and wanted to marry? Because if you say no, then you just invalidated what you said above. Because then it is no longer love that determines the marriage, instead ethnicity and faith.<br /><br />And I can't help to not believe you anyways, because you put so much emphasis on ethnicity(identity crisis), I tend to think that is your highest priority. It is like what James mentioned about one Law a little while back and I agree, there seems to be more emphasis on the lesser commandments than the greater. <br /><br />Anyways, I don't want to derail this thread any longer if I am, thanks again for the topic James... I will stop here.Zion/Jeruznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-62082210567989888252010-12-02T15:14:47.410-07:002010-12-02T15:14:47.410-07:00James and Gene wrote respectively:
"Can Mess...James and Gene wrote respectively:<br /><br />"Can Messianic Judaism ever resolve "the Gentile question", particularly in relation to mixed couples, Gentile Messianic Jewish synagogue attendance, and Messianic Gentiles converting to Messianic Judaism?"<br /><br />Personally, I doubt it. I am beginning to think that the TRUE revolution and movement towards Yeshua will occur from within Israel itself and in the Land of Israel, and not out of American Charismatic Evangelical Christianity and MJM that it birthed, not in the multicultural melting pot of U.S. and the resulting confusion."<br /><br />To Gene first, I would tend to agree. I recently provided the worship music for a local Baptist Church event when an 85 year old pastor stood up and shocked the congregation by saying, "Revival is not coming to America. It is going to Israel and the Jewish people." I am seeing glimpses of this revival here among our Jewish brethren, but as you probably know well, the fear of betraying our families and history is strong.<br /><br />James, I am not sure that the Messianic Jewish movement is equipped to resolve this issue; and I am honestly afraid of what would happen if it attempted to. From one congregation to the next we can hardly agree on Halakhah when it comes to basic observance for Jewish believers. I will be the first to tell you that our community consists mostly of saints from the nations; the non-believing Jews who have visited over the years, including a Holocaust survivor, could not tell the difference, they literally witnessed the One New Man; and in a couple of cases, they were brought to tears...of joy, btw.<br /><br />I honestly have no answer to offer this discussion. I long for the day when these discussions will be long forgotten. Above all else, I trust that He has the answer to this and we should trust Him. James I will pray that your spirit will begin to feel at home, you are His and no man can change that.<br /><br />Shalom and Hag Sameach!<br />JustinBeit Tefillah Chavurahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00583912738229154212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-664418803752553622010-12-02T15:04:14.409-07:002010-12-02T15:04:14.409-07:00"I think it is sad and shallow when people ma..."I think it is sad and shallow when people make it more important than anything else."<br /><br />Certainly, to marry someone ONLY for their ethnic background/race/religion/culture/beauty/money/gender/football team preference is quite shallow. I don't think you'll see anyone advocating that ANYWHERE, and nobody mentioned that here in this discussion. I am advocating that Jews ONLY marry other Jews (or Jewish converts) strictly because of LOVE.Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-89064179433803882162010-12-02T14:57:27.708-07:002010-12-02T14:57:27.708-07:00Jeruz, I don't get why you have to be all up i...<i>Jeruz, I don't get why you have to be all up in arms. Relax! You have your opinion and I have mine. Jews choosing to marry only other Jews (or converts to Judaism) is not "shallow" - it's simply a sane thing for a Jew to do. It preserves Jewish people. It prevents identity confusion. It promotes Jewish cohesiveness as a nation and done so for thousands of years. Progeny of Jews who married outside of their people and faith get lost in vast the sea of peoples within a few generations. It's a fact. <br /><br />Frankly, I don't expect most non-Jews to care about Jewish intermarriage with Gentiles, just as most Jews don't care if say Italians intermarry with the French!</i><br /><br />Gene, I agree we all have our own opinions, my main point is not to bash equally yoked marriage within culture, religion or faith, especially Jewish, I am not saying it is shallow to want to marry equally yoked, I think it is very smart, the point I was making is that I think it is sad and shallow when people make it more important than anything else.Zion/Jeruznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-34094038686683991762010-12-02T14:37:06.926-07:002010-12-02T14:37:06.926-07:00"'people are married for all kinds of sha..."'people are married for all kinds of shallow reasons, just like what you mentioned."<br /><br />Jeruz, I don't get why you have to be all up in arms. Relax! You have your opinion and I have mine. Jews choosing to marry only other Jews (or converts to Judaism) is not "shallow" - it's simply a sane thing for a Jew to do. It preserves Jewish people. It prevents identity confusion. It promotes Jewish cohesiveness as a nation and done so for thousands of years. Progeny of Jews who married outside of their people and faith get lost in vast the sea of peoples within a few generations. It's a fact. <br /><br />Frankly, I don't expect most non-Jews to care about Jewish intermarriage with Gentiles, just as most Jews don't care if say Italians intermarry with the French!Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-68605956359023162112010-12-02T14:26:16.672-07:002010-12-02T14:26:16.672-07:00"Can Messianic Judaism ever resolve "the..."Can Messianic Judaism ever resolve "the Gentile question", particularly in relation to mixed couples, Gentile Messianic Jewish synagogue attendance, and Messianic Gentiles converting to Messianic Judaism?"<br /><br />Personally, I doubt it. I am beginning to think that the TRUE revolution and movement towards Yeshua will occur from within Israel itself and in the Land of Israel, and not out of American Charismatic Evangelical Christianity and MJM that it birthed, not in the multicultural melting pot of U.S. and the resulting confusion.Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6747998155058121772.post-79426573440529089132010-12-02T14:09:03.645-07:002010-12-02T14:09:03.645-07:00No doubt, for a committed Jew (and I am including ...<i>No doubt, for a committed Jew (and I am including converts - like Ruth, for example), that should be the first requirement before getting seriously involved with someone on a romantic level. To give you another example, it would be the same as for a man having the first requirement that his future partner be a "woman", and only THEN he's to look at other "qualities" - very few folks, until recently that is, argued such "discrimination" be not allowed to trump "love". <br /><br />No doubt it's a tough pill to swallow for some - Jews were always disdained for their exclusivity in marriage partners.</i><br /><br />Trust, me it is not only sects of Judaism that have exclusivity in marriage partners, whites would not marry blacks for the longest time, many cultures like India do not want anyone marrying outside of their culture and religion, even in America, some rich families want there children marrying only into rich families... What is ultimately sad about this, is that it says love is really not the greatest.. But everyone is free to do what they want... Just like people who marry for tax cuts, people are married for all kinds of shallow reasons, just like what you mentioned.Zion/Jeruznoreply@blogger.com