Rabbi Joseph Telushkin
Hillel: If Not Now, When?
I’ve continued to ponder the matter this morning and am coming to realize that the gulf between Gentiles and Jews, even in the Messianic movement, is a great deal wider than I’d previously considered. If indeed Jews in the Messianic movement, like religious Jews in general, need to have synagogues and communities to serve their unique needs, then Gentiles may very well not be able to “join in” without provoking a great deal of anxiety.
My comment at Daily Minyan
Bilateral Ecclesiology and the Gentiles Series
If you follow the link to the Daily Minyan blog and read the entire contents of my comment (comment #10), you'll understand the event that prompts my thoughts and the thoughts that inspired this blog post (and I should give up trying to restrict myself and admit that I'll be writing an entry a day). Please read my words on Gene's blog before continuing here. Much of what I say won't make sense unless you do.
I feel like a significant part of my rationale for creating this blogspot was flawed. I wanted to use this blog as a platform for questioning my assumptions about my personal faith, my assumptions about the expression of my faith within a "Messianic" or "Hebraic" context, and to attempt to add my voice to the effort of building a bridge between Jews and non-Jews in the "Messianic" community (I put the term "Messianic" in quotes based on recent comments on Derek Lemans's blog).
But there's something wrong with the bridge.
It's not a complete collapse of the bridge I'm experiencing. After all, I have a regular dialogue with Gene, Yahatan, Justin, and even recently with Derek. However, based on last night's and this morning's ponderings, I am coming to understand that the gulf I've been trying to bridge is much wider than I previously realized. The commonalities are far fewer than I imagined, and the differences are far more abundant than I had ever calculated.
A few days ago, I looked up the term "Judeo-Christian" at Wikipedia and found this:
Judeo-Christian is used by some to refer to a set of beliefs and ethics held in common by Judaism and Christianity. Others-usually Jews-consider it a "contradiction in terms" that "appeals to a nonexistent historical unity and calls for a banal, modernist theology."You might say that my emphasis on the phrase nonexistent historical unity is a bit too harsh because there was a brief period when Gentiles and Jews in the First Century Messianic movement overlapped relative to their faith in the Jewish Messiah, but maybe I've been overestimating the degree of overlap. I said the following in a previous blog:
As Christianity and Judaism continued to diverge and finally completely separate, that particular threat died down (though throughout history, Gentiles have been threatening Jews in many other ways), but here we are, 20 centuries later, and we've re-entered the same conflict again.I doubt that anything was "settled" with any finality in "the early church" relative to Jewish vs. non-Jewish participation and discipleship. In earlier times, I looked to that part of our history in an attempt to locate a model of mutual fellowship and brotherhood between Messianic Jews and Gentiles and have since concluded that such a model did not exist, hence the resulting schism between synagogue and church that exists to this day.
For all my high riding principles and ideals, an encounter with one Orthodox Jewish woman caused me to come back down out of the clouds and land firmly on the reality that the space we are attempting to traverse (or rather, that I was attempting to traverse) isn't what I imagined. I saw a small, gentle river in place of the storm tossed ocean that is now before me.
Jules Verne wrote From the Earth to the Moon in 1865 and H.G. Wells published The First Men in the Moon in 1901. However, Neil Armstrong didn't actually step foot on the moon and utter the now famous phrase "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind" until July 21, 1969.
I'm not saying the bridge can't be built. I'm not even saying we shouldn't attempt to build that bridge right now. But I am reminded that there were Rabbis who opposed the founding of the modern state of Israel because the Messiah had not yet come. I believe that modern Israel is one "giant leap" in bringing the coming of the Messiah, but it's not the final step...not by a long shot. While we continue to make our efforts to build a bridge and truly unite humanity under the banner of the King, our journey is in its infancy and the frontier lies before us as a boundless vista. Gene recently said he believes the bridge won't be complete until the Messiah returns. Right now, I believe him.
Stepping off of the end of a bridge not yet completed leads to nowhere. We must keep building, one painful inch at a time.
The ocean is vast.
8 comments:
I kind of agree with Gene (hey, maybe that's another thing we can all agree on): that the issues between Jews and gentiles won't be sorted out until Messiah comes.
Feels a bit like a white flag. "We can't solve it! Oh well, Messiah will fix it."
Sigh.
It's interesting to imagine how exactly Messiah will solve this. He solved a conflict the first time around when there was a big debate about where people should worship, whether in Jerusalem or the mountain in Samaria. Messiah resolved it in a way they wouldn't have predicted: "a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem".
This has crossed my mind a number of times now: will Messiah's sorting out Jew/gentile problems be just the sort of "oh crap we didn't think of that" answer he gave to the Samaritans? I think he will.
"Messiah, some say Jews should worship apart from the nations, others say they should worship together. What do you say?"
:grin:
I'm not exactly waving a white flag but last night's encounter was more than a little sobering.
Imagine you're a bridge builder and someone hands you plans for a bridge design to span a 2 mile chasm. You figure, "OK, there will be some challenges here, but with some ingenuity and a bit of hard work, I think this can be done".
Then you go to the work site and realize that you are in San Francisco and you're supposed to build a bridge to Hawaii. It starts looking like it'll take a miracle to bridge the gap.
Just...dang.
"I kind of agree with Gene (hey, maybe that's another thing we can all agree on)"
Judah, I am too excited:)
"Messiah, some say Jews should worship apart from the nations, others say they should worship together. What do you say?"
I guess Messiah would say "You shall worship neither together nor apart!":)
But then again, that's also too predictable at this point, and because of that we know that this can't be it either:)
@Gene
"You shall worship neither together nor apart."
Heheh.
Well then I'd have to ask a follow-up question: "What the heck do you mean?!" :-)
Or maybe he'll just say something to the effect of, "You'll all eat at my Father's table". Who knows?
Whatever it will be, we'll likely look back at most of our disputes with regret.
"Whatever it will be, we'll likely look back at most of our disputes with regret."
Judah, some disputes are "disputes for the sake of Heaven" (Shammai and Hillel). Besides, apparently there must be disagreements to show who is approved by G-d. (1 Corinthians 11:19) As long as there's no hatred! (and I don't hate anyone here, except for that one fella....:)
There were some good points made here by everyone.
Gene said, "Besides, apparently there must be disagreements to show who is approved by G-d." 1.Cor.11:19
I agree! And yes without hatred!
My goodness, 'off-line' for a couple of days and I miss a series of great posts and have to read through a pile of comments!
Shalom,
J
That'll teach you to take your eyes off the ball. ;-)
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